Thoughts on this changeset?
I’ve been tagging defibrillators wherever they are located. I reckon a lot of them could be deleted if they are in places that are open to the public some of the time, but otherwise inaccessible. This one is at a local football pitch - is it correct to remove it because it’s not accessible 24/7?
No, things that do exist on the ground should not be deleted just because they are on private property or not always publicly accessible. Refer to this: Why we won't delete roads on private property - OpenStreetMap Wiki
Thank you for engaging politely in the changeset’s comments and coming here for a wider perspective!
I would expect a high proportion of AEDs to be on private property. The same might also apply to life rings beside water. I’m not sure that if I were in need of either that I’d thank someone with a vicariously proprietorial attitude to data they don’t own about things they also don’t own for deleting them from OSM.
Have mapped AED/DAE in places that are inside buildings… e.g. one inside a pharmacy where the quest asked if it was inside a building? yes! There’s (always) a sticker outdoors there’s a DAE is inside with number to call. Access hours that of the pharmacy. Another inside a soccer centre and on investigating during opening hours, actually in the coaches office. Also a sticker at the front entrance making it public knowledge of the presence. Mapped. It being on the map, tells there is one. Many here are a result of donation, then get published in the local paper about the good doer and an anonymous dropping a vaguely placed note in the area, so it needs digging at times from where it’s accessible and where it physically is.
Guess you do know about the AED map for OSM, but JIC, https://openaedmap.org/pdt/#map=9/42.2933/14.4348
Thanks for the comments so far. I’ll wait to see if the person responds, but if they don’t, can their changeset be reverted?
The other thing to note is that we can/should make sure that appropriate tagging is provided to record the fact that things we’ve mapped might not (always) be accessible to the public.
For defibrillators:
access=* can be used to record general accessibility (yes for public, private for private, and customers might be useful if you can only get to it having paid to go in somewhere.)indoor=yes|no can be used to tag if it’s inside a building or not (a useful signal that it might not be accessible all the time.opening_hours=* can be used if you know the precise times it’s available. (opening_hours=24/7 can be used for AEDs that are always available.)defibrillator:location=* can be used to record a human-readable description of where the AED is located and how to find/access it.note=* can be used to record any additional narrative information.Sarcasm - - As West Ealing Sports Ground is clearly not open 24/7 then perhaps it should be deleted entirely.
Seriously - We map what’s there. In this case the original tagging included- Attached to the wall on Humberto’s Hut. It’s a gated football pitch so access times might be limited.
I have included similar notes on AED’s I’ve tagged, some I’ve located using Rob’s defibrillator pages on Mathmos.net, some claiming to be public 24/7 from the circuit data when they are not.
This user has only made 3 edits all concerned with this AED - clearly has some issues.
This users changesets should be reverted.
Changeset: 172514143 | OpenStreetMap reverted it
No.
Add access tags.
Just to document, today’s finding at a school, a sign telling the ‘structure is cardio-protected’ and a splurge below to tell that these devices safe 75% of lives in such events. Where it is inside the school property, IDK, not even mapped as a school area, the building is, squinting down the locked gated footway could not make anything out on the wall, nor on the main street side, so think we need some tag(s) to indicate there’s one there, accessible during school hours to tell the device is indoors (a question that comes up with actual AED mapping.
FWIW, the emergency=defibrillator page on the wiki does say:
defibrillator=yes currently has 106 uses according to taginfo.
Thanks, I’ll go with that FTM, With 178 overall a mixed bag of values placed in there. the sign got a cam bell below and has a busy admin/police/social/seniors centre opposite the shared parking (open access Mon-Fri) which had no indicator of a DAE presence, suspecting there’s a protocol, so will revisit on a working day when in neighbourhood.
