Andy, thank you for the quick feedback. If there is a surprise then this is always a reason to proactively sort out and clear any potential misunderstandings.
When it comes to being able to respond to large scale bad edits,
you confirm that you have enough tooling to clear out the database from all edits of bad mappers in short time?
The redaction bot is (beside of OAuth2) fully operational and sufficient to yield the necessary reverts to get a cleared database replicated through the minute diffs? The redactions take place strictly after the reverts, and as such it is no problem that those redactions do never get replicated?
The thread around the Mediterranian event in 2023 shall not be interpreted in a such way that the DWG has felt overwhelmed? That is good to hear, because of an overworked DWG has made a couple of people felt nervous.
I will then encourage Brian (or anyone else) to rewrite the wiki page in a way that suggests is it still a useful and used peace of software. Or do it myself if it is not going to happen. (Brian has shown competence in writing documentation and is apparently following the thread.)
Do you realistically see the raster tile stack to persist still long enough that more than CDN level tuning is justified? Paul has made good progress in showcasing that a minute diff vector stack is possible. The uniform answer about vector tiles has been that they are also production ready in any other regard. Hence I would presume that the OSMF will no longer distribute raster tiles in any form in 2027 (and maybe earlier, with no promise).
In particular many people have expressed concern that the OSM Carto style has not exactly an abundant number of active maintainers and adviced rather against repair attempts.
The part of the message that I have apparently not made clear enough: the board sees it within its mission to get development funded where no volunteer activity takes place but development is needed. This and other threads give the quite clear impression that vandalism is indeed a problem where community members expect the Foundation to help protect.
This does not mean that the board has a micromanaging plan how to implement that. It is more like that at a point the board will approach the working groups and ask them what to do with the now available resources if they come into sight.
The other possibility would be to ask the working groups to stockpile ideas just in case some money comes around. With the back story of the stockpiled vector tiles, the stockpiled GDPR improvements, the stockpiled overhaul of the data model, and other stockpiled ideas this sounded like exactly the kind of idea stockpiling that most people consider unappealing and demotivating.
So yes, I’m absolutely interested in hearing further ideas. But I fully accept that other people rather want code than talk, and therefore will restrain from throwing ideas in with no prospect of implementation.
A downstream database that keeps only those objects and object
properties (tags vs coordinates) that are stable over time X. With X
being a day, a week, or a month.
How that will (or even could) work really needs discussion in its own
thread…
That deserves definitely a thread in its own. In particular if one of the most competent people about OpenStreetMap I know (Andy, you) has doubts that it is possible.