Recently I found out coffee:brand tag, used to store the brand that supplies coffee to a cafe or similar as cafes are usually tied to a coffee distributor exclusively. Here in Spain is also common that cafes and pubs have a beer distributor, so I thought of using beer:brand, but other local mappers suggested to use brewery, as it’s a commonly used and documented tag for this use.
Don’t you think it would be more appropriate to create a common scheme for this type of tagging? Using [type of product]:brand could be used for tagging another exclusive-brand products that may be available in a shop. An example for this could be a hairdresser whose products are only from a specific brand (also common here in Spain), or a bookshop that is only supplied with an specific brand of school supplies.
I don’t know how difficult it would be to migrate to a new label, but I think that this has been made before.
Historically in the UK, the majority of pubs were “tied” to a particular brewery. I suspect that the OSM brewery key originated in that concept. This obviously wasn’t just a UK thing - the same concept existed in lots of places.
In the UK, legislation was changed over 30 years ago (and about 15 years before OSM existed) to reduce the dependency on breweries. As a result of that change and others the “on premises” beer market in the UK is now heavily geared around pub operating companies, such as this one. It’s not really helpful to describe these pubcos as “brands” because (in that example) one pub operating company has 18 different pub brands, and that’s different from the actual breweries from which beer is sourced and the different beers from each brewery that might be available.
To summarise:
Sometimes (as in the example at the top of the thread) some sort of brand tag might be helpful to explain the type of e.g. coffee sold somewhere.
Similarly, brewery might be useful on pubs in some places around the world to explain from which brewery all beers there are sourced.
In some cases (and I’d suggest the UK is one) brewery isn’t usually a very helpful tag since it doesn’t really help explain what is available.
Historically in the UK, the majority of pubs were “tied” to a particular brewery. I suspect that the OSM brewery key originated in that concept. This obviously wasn’t just a UK thing - the same concept existed in lots of places.
In the UK, legislation was changed over 30 years ago (and about 15 years before OSM existed) to reduce the dependency on breweries. As a result of that change and others the “on premises” beer market in the UK is now heavily geared around pub operating companies, such as this one. It’s not really helpful to describe these pubcos as “brands” because (in that example) one pub operating company has 18 different pub brands, and that’s different from the actual breweries from which beer is sourced and the different beers from each brewery that might be available.
To summarise:
Sometimes (as in the example at the top of the thread) some sort of brand tag might be helpful to explain the type of e.g. coffee sold somewhere.
Similarly, brewery might be useful on pubs in some places around the world to explain from which brewery all beers there are sourced.
In some cases (and I’d suggest the UK is one) brewery isn’t usually a very helpful tag since it doesn’t really help explain what is available.
The brewery tag still works in a few areas, traditional pub owning breweries are still there.
One of the more famous being Wadworths in Devizes where most of the pubs in the area are tied and all sell a selection of beers brewed by Wadworths.
Similar in Dorset there is Palmer’s Brewery and pubs, again selling only Palmers.
When I visit those areas it is refreshing to be back to normal and away from the pubcos.
Also Leicester still has Everard’s and around here we have Joules.
The key being that they stayed small enough to not be affected by the legislation which created the pubcos.
In Germany it’s common for a pub to only sell beer from one brewery, sometimes only a single beer.
That doesn’t prevent people from using brewery=yes/no to tag whether or not a place has or is a brewery.
It’s obviously a poorly named tag, and replacing it wouldn’t be a bad idea in my view.
Yeah… the same brewery might brew Carlsberg, San Miguel and Tuborg, under contract with the owners of the respective brands. I suspect that what you would find in the brewery= tag is actually the beer brand, not the brewery.