Clarification on amenity=animal_training: Why "non-competitive" only?

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Hi everyone,

I was recently looking into adding a preset for amenity=animal_training to the iD editor. However, during the discussion on GitHub, we hit a roadblock regarding the current wiki definition.

The wiki page (and its talk page) suggests that this tag is intended only for non-competitive animal training.

This raises two questions:

  • If this tag is strictly for non-competitive training, how should we tag facilities for competitive training (e.g., agility, dog sports)?
  • Is this “non-competitive” restriction still relevant, or is it a historical artifact that should be removed to simplify tagging?

I’d like to reach a consensus here so I can proceed with the iD editor preset.

I’m not very experienced with wiki editing and its conventions, so I’d appreciate it if someone more familiar with the process could handle the actual updates once we reach a consensus.

What are your thoughts? Is there any reason to keep the “non-competitive” distinction?

Thanks!

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There is Tag:sport=dog_agility - OpenStreetMap Wiki (and probably other similar things for other animals). It’s a weird gray area, though, because they’re usually both a human and animal sport, but not always.

I think of animal training as for obedience, service training, etc., which is very different than sports. So in that sense, I don’t disagree with the non-competitive aspect.

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  1. Human sports would be education=training + amenity=training + training=sport + sport= + leisure= , while animal sports don’t appear to have any specific solution. Horses simply use =horse_riding , and amenity=stables seemingly for =private or more training than riding ones. There didn’t seem to have any ideas or discussions. Proposal:Dog training - OpenStreetMap Wiki
  2. I won’t disagree amenity=animal_training isn’t intuitive, but it may be distinguished from the usual leisure= for sport=
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It is again appearing problem: nothing in amenity=animal_training suggests it would exclude some areas of animal training

We has the same with say natural=tree that originally was defined as “Lone or significant trees”

Expecting that it will go any other way here is weird.

Also, if we have no obvious tagging for competitive training it will go like historic=wayside_cross and historic=wayside_shrine where out of lack of alternative it was used also for modern ones.

(maybe this happened for amenity=animal_training already?)

How places training dogs for say dog shows are tagged now? (I would be surprised if no such places exist)