CC-BY-SA 4.0 and 2.0 from refuges.info

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Hi, is there already a waiver to use CC-BY-SA 4.0 and 2.0 material from refuges.info for OSM? Where would I find this? Thx

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CC-BY-SA requires all derivatives including raster images to be licensed under the same terms. The ODBL only requires this when the derivative is a database, so CC-BY-SA material canĘĽt be simply relicensed.

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Thx, that is why I am asking if there is a waiver from refuges.info or if anyone ever asked for one.

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https://blog.openstreetmap.org/2017/03/17/use-of-cc-by-data/

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thx again, I’m aware of this page but maybe someone has asked them already and the yes/no answer is in some OSM repo or table that I could not find. I would prefer to check that before I bother them unnecessarily.

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Apparently, refuges.info cannot grant a waiver, as the contributions are published by the respective authors under the CC BY-SA 2.0 license? Therefore, it would be necessary to contact the individual authors directly to request a waiver.
See: https://www.refuges.info/wiki/restriction_licence

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Thanks whb, I see your point. As much as I understand copyright stuff (little), the copyright in any case stays with the original creator of the photographs (but see below), they just grant the CC license. So you are probably correct wrt the photographs. For the textual information, the page you linked states (all quotes translated from French):

“If you create or complete a file [“file” here refers to a particular shelter’s description page], this content becomes part of the “collective work” as defined by law, and the license becomes creative commons by-sa. Its author becomes “Les contributeurs de refuges.info” (refuges.info contributors) as its content is intended to be completed and/or taken up by other refuges.info contributors.”

This sounds very similar to the approach taken in OSM except for the license. So the original contributor of some changeset need not be identified anymore and refuges.info would become the source to be referenced.

On https://www.refuges.info/wiki/licence one finds, with reference to CC-BY-SA.

"It is therefore possible to :

  • Copy “Refuges.info content”.
  • Modify “Refuges.info content”.
  • Distribute “the contents of Refuges.info”
    The contents of Refuges.info are all or part of the contents of the points pages made available by a contributor."
    […]
    "… Provided that you:
  • Cite “©Les contributeurs de Refuges.info” when you use content from the file [meaning description on the webpage] for a location."

So wrt the textual information, it appears that refuges.info is the organization one has to ask for a waiver.

Btw, newer contributions are cc-by-sa 4.0, only older ones are still 2.0 but that is indicated in each case, that is, for each page about a shelter.

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Just so there is no confusion, assuming that we are discussing direct integration of protected material in OSM, CC BY-SA licenses are never compatible by their very nature (requiring adapted works to be licensed on the same terms).

This is different than CC BY were it was determined that the situation could be salvaged by waiving a small number terms of the licence.

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Thanks Simon, that clarifies it.