I was thinking it probably makes sense to allow the tag bicycle_parking on a highway=bus_stop node. Especially in The Netherlands, many bus stops are being equipped with bicycle parking.
It would be analogous to the bin and bench tags.
However, the wiki says this tag is only to be used with amenity=bicycle_parking, which is not what a bus stop is.
Another option would be to create a separate bicycle parking node, right next to every bus stop that is equipped with one. That feels like a lot of redundancy to me.
Itâs redundant, because for every bus stop with bicycle parking, there would need to be two nodes: the bus stop itself and the parking. And here in The netherlands, bicycle parkings at bus stops are plentiful. Whereas when a bin or bench is present, an additional node doesnât need to be added, as it can be tagged as part of the bus stop node.
Bus stop preset in ID had/has this option of of bin=separate and then youâd map the wastebin and itâs details. For a bus stop
I can see similar to be able to query if the bus stop has âproperâ bike parking as in bicycle_parking=yes or separate and then youâd still map the bike rack, stands whatever.
Btw, hereâs a good example where bicycle parking is really part of the bus stop, and not just happens to be close by.
This doesnât occur in like half of bus stops, probably not even 10%, but this country has a LOT of bus stops, so itâs probably still thousands with âintegratedâ bicycle parking. It might be worth being able to query on it. Useful for cyclist maps, I suppose, isnât it?
Redundant or not, the example you have presented doesnât have an âintegratedâ bicycle parking area into the bus stop. I would agree if the bike area/rack was physically part of the bus shelter or some larger structure. The bus stop shown has a simple bus shelter and a bicycle parking next to it. I donât doubt that the nearby parking area was included for the use of bus riders.
I would map this area as two nodes inside a larger area of the full bus stop. One node would be for the bus shelter and other for the bicycle parking area since they appear to be physically seperated by at least a meter.
Bus stop preset in ID had/has this option of of bin=separate and then youâd map the wastebin and itâs details.
This makes more sense to me as somebody looking for a bin is not necessarily looking to catch a bus.
Same with bike parking, someone looking for a place to lock their bike isnât always looking to catch a bus. Unless of course usage of the bike parking is solely for bus passengers.
Why donât you create a node with both highway=bus_stop and amenity=bicycle_parking tags? Or am I missing something?
I donât see why this should be one node, these are 2 features, and while the proximity isnât probably coincidence, their relation IMHO is sufficiently represented with the proximity of the nodes.
It looks like tagging road with all itâs features on one way:
bus:lanes=no|yes|yes|yes|yes|designated
cycleway:left=lane
highway=secondary
lanes:backward=3
lanes:forward=2
maxspeed:backward=50
maxspeed:forward=30
parking:left=no
parking:right:access=customers
parking:right:fee=yes
parking:right:orientation=parallel
parking:right=street_side
sidewalk:left:smoothness=bad
sidewalk:left:surface=paving_stones
sidewalk:right:bicycle=yes
sidewalk:right:smoothness=very_good
sidewalk:right:surface=asphalt
sidewalk=both
smoothness=good
surface=asphalt
And itâs a small half of tags. This way leads to once-written-never-actualised
Bicycle parking is not a feature of bus stop - anyone can park there and itâs not just one tag to describe the parking (lit, covered, capacity, access, fee, opening_hours and so on). So, One feature, one OSM element - OpenStreetMap Wiki
I donât see why not actually. Why is the wastebin NOT separate, while the bicycle parking IS separate? They both belong to the same public feature: a bus stop.
I would definitely tag the bicycle parking as part of the bus stop, but the problem is that itâs not allowed (well, technically nothing is stopping me from doing this, but itâs against the convention described at the wiki).
We could broaden this topic to a more general: when is a feature separate, and when is it a tag of another feature? When does a feature qualify for its own separate node?
I donât see why not actually. Why is the wastebin NOT separate, while the bicycle parking IS separate? They both belong to the same public feature: a bus stop.
you can map the waste bin separately with amenity=waste_basket or you can add it implicitly as a property of the bus stop (bin=yes, means this stop provides a bin), or you could even do both at the same time (the stop has a bin, and here it is).
Thought Iâd mentioned it earlier in this thread but here is a dummy bus stop created in ID with the preset getting to the bin, which offers the values of separate and yes (for when the bin is attached to the shelter or bus pole.
yes, I know the âseparateâ idea, I didnât mention it because I know it is contested, and for âbinâ it is not very used (unlike for sidewalk and cycleway). Last time this was discussed, the conclusion I drew from the discussion was not to do it.
