Booths at the entrance to a park

brightj · 2022-11-13T19:38:38.058Z

What tags to use for an entrance to a park, where you have to stop and pay an entrance fee, but there is not an actual gate? For example:

Way: ‪Tioga Pass Pay Station‬ (‪411122676‬) | OpenStreetMap
- Tioga Pass Entrance (U.S. National Park Service)
Way: ‪Booth‬ (‪233740798‬) | OpenStreetMap
Way: ‪Red Rock Canyon Fee Station‬ (‪366054036‬) | OpenStreetMap
- The fee booths at Red Rock Canyon National Conservation Area scenic loop were closed Monday, Jan. 22, 2018. (K.M. Cannon Las Vegas Review-Journal @KMCannonPhoto) | Las Vegas Review-Journal

Kovoschiz · 2022-11-14T07:37:45.195Z

Please create a new post. As you worded, they are different.
Conceptually it is closer to a =toll_booth for a fee=yes rather than toll=yes. shop=ticket is where it is sold and paid separately.

adreamy · 2022-11-14T13:55:09.298Z

My English is poor, so I don’t know if I’m understanding it properly.

In OSM wiki’s ‘barrier=toll_booth’ section, ‘Disambiguation’ says ‘As the charge needs to be in relation to using the road, the tag should not be used for places collecting parking or admission fees’.
Since ‘toll’ is a place that receives a fee for using the road, shouldn’t ‘amenity=ticket_booth’ be used for admission and facility usage fees?

Kovoschiz · 2022-11-15T06:20:27.372Z

At many places, eg theme parks, tickets are sold at a separate counter, not at the “gate”. “Ticket booth” mixes up the booth for selling tickets before the entrance, and checking tickets at the entrance. Of course they can be the same sometimes, but here especially for national parks they may not have a “ticket”. You only pass your money (or card?) to them.

Kovoschiz · 2022-11-15T06:29:36.335Z

Ok took a look at your examples. They are national parks.

Already has =toll_booth and toll=yes
A suspicious case of name=Booth
Already has =toll_booth and toll=yes, but also fee=yes (a natural question)
Although there is the confusion between fee=yes and toll=yes in other facilities, 1 and 3 feel clearer. Since you are charged to pass through the national park’s roads for hiking or driving, it leans itself more readily to toll=yes and =toll_booth.
Problem is at 2. These may not have an amenity=ticket_validator, or amenity=vending_machine + vending=parking_tickets. It’s not clear whether =toll_booth should be used for carparks, although another possible perspective for this case is to treat it as a implicitly paid carpark inside a toll road.
A side note is Trapps Hamlet Path needs to be connected to the road, not ending at the =parking.

brightj · 2022-11-15T15:31:46.381Z

Kovoschiz:

Already has =toll_booth and toll=yes

What are you referring to that already has these?

brightj · 2022-11-18T15:46:43.640Z

Kovoschiz:

A side note is Trapps Hamlet Path needs to be connected to the road, not ending at the =parking.

OK, I fixed that, at least. Can you explain what you mean by the other points?

Kovoschiz · 2022-11-19T04:49:07.028Z

Sorry, forgot about this. The roads already have toll=yes, and there are barrier=toll_booth on them. This looks good enough already.

brightj · 2022-11-19T15:06:17.984Z

Oh, you meant the roads were already tagged. We need to tag the buildings with something, too, though. StreetComplete was asking “What kind of building is this?” (though it’s not now, maybe they updated something).

Oh, one still says it:

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Kovoschiz · 2022-11-20T05:52:43.103Z

These larger ones could be building=kiosk. You can’t enter them.