Blocks on Barroszt / FanMentzena and Torunianin

As promised, the DWG has discussed the blocks on this user internally, and the result is https://www.openstreetmap.org/user_blocks/18315 and https://www.openstreetmap.org/user_blocks/18316.

When this account is allowed to edit again in 14 days time please let the DWG know if they are unable to keep the numerous promises that they have made about co-operating with the community.

Best Regards, Andy (from the DWG)

As ever, translate button below…

I am incredibly impressed and will watch Demolition Man again because of this impression.
OSM may survive but civilization will fall with this approach.

The joke is that he probably still edits in a different way in a different area and uses a different tool.

I understand the weaknesses of the system. We wait and watch the new account but I don’t understand why you’ve been messing with him for so many years. Every account he used should be fully blocked after a maximum of three blocks.

I feel like a rag.

I looked at the city of Toruń which he mainly edited. It looks worse than slums.

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@SomeoneElse :-1: For me it is an honor to watch the film again For me it is an honor to watch the films again Equilibrium and Idiocracy (2006) - IMDb

You can block me if you want, but you can’t block facts.

I downvoted that because of this previous response - you don’t get to complain that “but we don’t have a full-time flat surface maintenance person [in Poland]” but then complain about the actions of the people who stepped up to deal with issues that you did not.

If you think that is harsh, please read this post again. We cannot act on vague accusations; we need specifics, and specifics need to be actually emailed to us, not just chatted about on Discord.

When https://www.openstreetmap.org/user_blocks/18315 expires we expect that the community will be watching. The DWG won’t necessarily grasp the nuance of some of the changes or the comments; we’ll need your help for that.

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Seriously - Barroszt, FanMentzena, .

please, stop spamming with memes and vague complaints
are you trying to get “lets ignore comments from Poland” response from DWG?

if user is terrible then list some specific examples

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BTW, it looks like they edit right now from FanZandberga | OpenStreetMap

both Mentzen and Zandberg are politicians, this new account appeared shortly after other was blocked

though admittedly this one was AFAIK not causing damage

… and is editing using StreetComplete in a completely different area. Plenty of users have silly names; if someone starts making questionable edits centred on Toruń then it’d be worth a closer look**.

** but still might be a “copycat troll” - we’ve had a few of those.

As I’m observing notes in Warsaw and I can see FanZandberga’s ones, I would say he’s more likely a copycat troll than smurf. And I don’t know if trolling or just newbie but he made some non-sense SC stairs-related notes ie. Note: 4800601 | OpenStreetMap There’s no other option for subway entrance :person_shrugging: We’ll see. Let’s observe him.

Anyway nice to hear that another big one bites the dust.

:yawning_face:

Another account of Barroszt.

Another account of Barroszt.

Zgłaszałeś do DWG?

Tak, 5 dni temu napisałem maila i nie dało to żadnego efektu, jak widać.

podzielisz się mejlem? możesz przez PW

nie wiem skąd wiadomo że to Barroszt, nie wiem co robi źle - a tak to z twojego mejla wezmę

ma on jakieś komentarze pod edycjami?

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Neither do we. A ticket appeared in our inbox a few days ago, but there was no information about what this user had done wrong or even how they’d been identified as a new account of a blocked user.

I’m sure the ticket will get dealt with, perhaps as some actual reports of problems come in.

Andy (from the DWG)

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though maybe in such case it would make sense to send back to reporter something like

“unclear why user is problematic and how you know that it is a new account of banned one”

?

Unless something like that was send back already? I assume, maybe wrongly, that most consuming part would be reading the complaint, and it would be done already.

Yep, there was no evidence in my email — my fault. But a response like “Why do you think it’s Barroszt?” would have been helpful.

I’m 99.9% sure it’s Barroszt because the area and style of the changes (like merging addresses with buildings and “beautifying [area name]”) are the same as his. Additionally, I closed some of the notes he had left unresolved, commenting that they were made by another account of Barroszt. Maybe that’s not strong evidence, but he didn’t deny it.

And one more thing — he ignored a comment under his changeset about an error he made: Changeset: 181475772 | OpenStreetMap