“Schinkenstraße” is not the german name and it definitely is not the international name.
It’s just a nickname given by german tourists.
name:de= and int_name= should be removed and replaced with nickname:de=Schinkenstraße on all three ways:
https://www.openstreetmap.org/way/47610058
https://www.openstreetmap.org/way/47610054
https://www.openstreetmap.org/way/24413144
Edit: Done with CS181133052
Bei Vandalen handle ich nach dem Grundsatz „Wer einmal lügt, dem glaubt man nicht.“ Wer vorsätzlich falsch mappt, kann nicht erwarten, dass man die restlichen Änderungen sorgfältig prüft. Daher: Alles revertieren ist der wirtschaftlichste und sicherste Weg.
Einen weiteren habe ich nun auch gelöscht, bei den anderen beiden habe ich mal sommallorqui | OpenStreetMap kontaktiert, der schon an denen gearbeitet hat. Da sommallorqui dem Anschein nach von Mallorca kommt, wollte ich da hier aus dem kalten Norden nicht reinfuschen…
That user has already been blocked once for name related edits, so you might want to be careful there sommallorqui blocked by woodpeck | OpenStreetMap
Where https://www.openstreetmap.org/user/sommallorqui had added or preserved obviously incorrect names I included them in the revert I did yesterday. Changeset comments suggest previous reverts. I wouldn’t assume that their other edits are valid, but I also wouldn’t assume yet that they are in bad faith.
The thread linked below may have some relevant background (the thread starter appears to be the mapper referred to in the last couple of posts here, having since changed username but with the same account).
I must admit that when that thread was started, I was doubtful about whether Apple is really using OSM data in Spain, but it seems clear now that they are taking at least some places names are from OSM.
if they do not take all place names, do you think it depends on the kind of place?
The community has created 2 guidelines that could be relevant to this, the Horizontal Map Layers Guideline and the Regional Cuts Guideline.
The horizontal map guideline says:
For all features of a given type (“Feature Types”) (e.g. streets, restaurants, parks, cemeteries), if all data for that Feature Type is from non-OpenStreetMap sources, then the ODbl share-alike conditions do not apply to that Feature Type, even if OpenStreetMap data is used for other Feature Types. This applies to Feature Types within a single layer or split between multiple layers.
If you use OpenStreetMap data along with non-OpenStreetMap data for a given Feature Type, then the share-alike condition would apply regardless of whether some data for that Feature Type is in a different layer than the other data for that Feature Type.
what would you say is a feature type here, “place names”? Or “subdivisions of places”? Or “neighbourhoods”? The guideline gives “streets” as an example, so it seems all kinds of streets are seen as one feature type, merging just “service alleys” into your dataset would still mean it’s a kind of street and all streets should be from OpenStreetMap or you must share the other data under ODbL provisions.
The regional cuts guideline states that the region must be at least a country, so using the data on the islands means the region must be at least all of Spain.
If each Regional Cut fits within all of the following criteria, then OpenStreetMap considers share-alike conditions to apply solely to and within the horizontal boundaries of the Regional Cut. If the criteria are met, other cuts may come from differently licensed sources without ODbL share-alike applying to them. […]
- The Regional Cut is at least a country. [Allowing smaller areas is an ongoing matter of discussion.] We would like you to avoid cherry-picking, i.e only picking small areas where OpenStreetMap is particularly good.
I don’t know. Looking at my local area, I don’t think they take street names, as there are numerous small differences in the use of small words like “de”. I have seen this in both directions (Apple has “de” and OSM doesn’t, and vice versa) so I don’t think Apple is applying some kind of systematic processing to OSM street names.
Based on recent threads about Mallorca, I thought maybe they take things like neighbourhoods and suburbs. But again, in my area, that theory doesn’t quite seem to fit. For example, Apple has a neighbourhood called “Dsmo Dm Este”. I assume Dsmo is an abbreviation for “diseminado” (a kind of dispersed settlement), and I don’t know if Dm is an abbreviation or some kind of reference. But in any case, I can’t find anything in OSM with a name even remotely close to that. (In fact I can’t really find a match for that anywhere on the Internet).
Just a little bit further south, Apple has a neghbourhood called “Fábrica Cemento”. This one is in OSM, but as I mentioned with street names, it is not quite the same: the OSM tag is “Fábrica de Cemento”.
Finally, right in the centre of the city, Apple displays the label “Zona Centro Málaga”. The use of “Zona” in a name sounds odd to me, and is not found in OSM.
In summary, in the part of Spain that I know well enough to investigate, I can’t find any clear evidence that Apple is using OSM at all.
Hello, could you please tell me why you’ve deleted my changes in several towns and neighborhoods in Mallorca, claiming I’ve committed vandalism? I’m not the person who created the “betrunkene” area. Yesterday I was changing neighborhoods in Mallorca, and today I find that you’ve reverted them all…
hola, soy usuario de mallorca y evidentemente el barrio de betrunkene junto al de el orinal son vandalismo. He visto que ha salido en muchos periodicos alemanes y hasta en la prensa de mallorca.
Sobre mi cuenta, yo me dedico a sugerir o incluir POI’s o barrios de mallorca, como los de mi pueblo, can picafort, que han sido eliminados sin motivo, asi como tambien los de menorca y otros lugares de mallorca.
Hello josepgomi, what is your osm mapper username?
I only reverted two or three suburb additions in Mallorca by one user mentioned above, that is this one: verdadescomopunyos | OpenStreetMap
Soy el usuario: sommallorqui
En ningun momento he realizado vandalismo, yo me dedico a corregir o añadir barrios o POI’s en Mallorca y Menorca.
Si dudáis de mi, echad un vistazo a mis cambios.
He añadido varios barrios y centros históricos en las islas, asi como alguna POI. He visto que parte de estos cambios han sido revertidos sin sentido.
No soy el usuario “verdadescomopunos”. Os habéis confundido. Yo mismo como usuario de Mallorca me comprometo a que no vuelvan a ocurrir estos vandalismos, ya que suelo editar y comprobar las islas baleares casi cada dia.
I included two of your changesets (here and here) in the wider revert of edits by verdadescomopunyos. Looking at https://www.openstreetmap.org/node/13687412880/history for example, verdadescomopunyos added it and you changed keys back and forth.
There was earlier some discussion in this forum about the names you were using (before you changed your display name in OSM), and that resulted in this message (as I understand it, these earlier edits were reverted due to the lack of response to questions about names).
It is unfortunate that sometimes well-meaning edits do get caught up in reverts of non-well-meaning ones (it also happened with the “allegedly fake locksmiths” in another recent thread.
Edit: Forgot to link one of the changes.
Mis ediciones deberían volver a ser incluidas en OSM. No son vandalismo, simplemente añadí o corregí varios barrios de Mallorca y/o la etiqueta de suburbio o barrio, ya que en algunos nodos hacía que el barrio se viera antes que el pueblo o ciudad en cuestión.
No hay derecho a esto
no entiendo como tú y un tal pedro juan os habéis dedicado a eliminar los barrios o zonas añadidas el otro día por mi cuando yo dispongo de conocimiento local de dichas zonas y simplemente los he añadido, para que también se muestren en apple maps en el futuro.
I think the confusion arises largely from changesets in your edit history like this one, where the names added include “Drunk German Beach”, “Betrunkene Deutsche”, and “Balconing Park”.
If you want to clear up the confusion, perhaps you should take this opportunity to explain what was going on there.
https://www.openstreetmap.org/changeset/179226275#map=15/39.51170/2.74774