Best Tag for a cidery

Hi all,

I’ve found a “cidery” near me - like a brewery, or distillery, but… for cider.

It seems reasonable to tag this with craft=cidery, in the same way that the others are tagged, as per Key:craft - OpenStreetMap Wiki

Any thoughts?

(Is this forum preferred over the talk pages on the wiki for this?)

Hi Chuq have you discovered the talk-page of the craft=* page you linked :wink:
https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Talk:Key:craft#Cidery
Cheers

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Nearly always the best way to start answering queries like this is to use taginfo to see what current usage might be. There are 26 craft=cider and 8 craft=cidery.

In general it’s worth sticking with the most popular value, and in this case I don’t think there’s much ambiguity. “cidery” itself may not be universal usage, for instance it is apparently not accepted as a word by scrabble.

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Thanks, I’ve just remembered that the wiki search doesn’t include talk pages as default, and I was so intent on using this new forum that I didn’t check manually!

Hmm, I’m a bit torn here… cider is obviously more common but there are so few uses that it would be easy to reconcile them all one way or the other.

Using “cidery” is more consistent with “brewery”, “distillery” etc. but then I’m thrown by the fact that its not a word by some definitions.

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I can’t believe that, as a very long time Wikipedia editor and kinda long time OSM editor, I’d never seen that page before! (I’d picked up most of it over the years but always thought talk pages were the place to talk, until now!)

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frankly, I don’t like neither craft=cider nor craft=cidery. The way “craft” was conceived, a typical value should describe the profession of the people who work there, e.g. craft=carpenter hence the value here would be something like craft=brewer or maybe very specifically craft=cider_brewer

https://taginfo.openstreetmap.org/keys/craft#values

I have to acknowledge though, that somehow the craft tag was “invaded” with other values similar to the ones discussed here, in particular frequently used grinding_mill, winery and brewery all follow the cidery/cider scheme as well. Looking at these, I would guess a place producing cider is a “brewery”, not?

The correct tag would be craft=cider_maker.

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Agreed. More popular than either is product=cider on breweries. I was actually expecting to see more use of “cider_press”, but no.

I added support for that to the map style I look after at https://github.com/SomeoneElseOSM/SomeoneElse-style/commit/eb95f2aae24ad0747dcd964e51423d7218dc3c5a .