You should use place=city_block instead of landuse=residential . Then use the landuse=residential tag to extend all the way to the curb or outline the entire zone as one area.
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residential driveways should be marked private.
Yes, this reiteration occurs as I sub divide the wider area of Rottingdean into smaller postcode landuse=residential and landuse=retail descriptions.
I know it is a bit ugly for now, but in a sense, it it factual to describe these areas as such. I had considered deleting the name=* values, but it is, to my way of thinking, beneficial to see where Woodingdean turns into Ovingdean, then Rottingdean, then Telscoombe Cliffs, then Peacehaven
Wow, that’s very interesting, I have not encountered that tag before.
Woodingdean, Ovingdean and Rottingdean fall within the control of the Unitary Authority of the city of Brighton & Hove, whereas Telscombe Cliffs , Peacehaven and Newhaven I believe fall under the purview of the town of Lewes.
I do tend to append access=private to driveways and privately managed roads.
I wish JOSM had a check box for this when establishing service=driveway.
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Firstly, I’d just like to say you’ve done a sterling job! @UtterClutter and I have been working as a rough partnership with me plotting tonnes of houses. It has helped to drive me on seeing the areas of Brighton & Hove look so beautiful.
Many roads and buildings here date back to the early days of OSM with mapping parties in 2006/7 (I keep telling @Derick_Rethans that I’ve just updated some of his plots). Many areas of the city have remained sparsely housed and it took COVID restrictions to make me decide to focus on the local again. In the end, it was a case of head down and just do it, rather than focus on how much there was to do.
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That isn’t widely used in the UK and IE (see taginfo and overpass), and some of what is mapped as city_block seems a bit of a stretch (e.g. here and certainly here). I personally wouldn’t use it unless it was a good fit for the area. Some of these do make sense, but in the UK many areas simply don’t have that sort of structure.
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Extending landuse=residential to the kerb might not be that helpful. The pavements/sidewalks are as much a part of the highway as the carriageway. Although they’re less commonly used, area:highway=* and/or landuse=highway would apply beyond the boundary of residential properties.
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Privately managed roads which are not gated and don’t have explicit signage with something like “access for residents only” probably aren’t access=private.
Something like ownership=private together with access=destination is more likely for unadopted roads. Residents of these roads may not be entirely averse to receiving deliveries, taxis and visitors.
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FWIW, at least in the U.S. the consensus appears to be that they are in fact access=private, and that receiving deliveries and taxis is an implicit “individual permission”: Help needed: review of road access restrictions (mostly Massachusetts) - #7 by ezekielf
(Personally I disagree with that interpretation and agree with yours but it looks like we have a large hill to climb)
Zooming out a bit, I think tagging access on a short, dead-end driveway is pointless: first of all it’s obvious from it being a short dead-end driveway, and second of all it doesn’t matter. Just leave it untagged.
Perhaps my post in the linked thread was not clear enough because I think I agree with @rskedgell’s interpretation as well. Roads which are gated and/or have explicit signage stating “residents only” or similar are access=private. Roads which have neither gates nor signs are not access=private even if they are privately owned and/or managed (because this can’t be verified on the ground).
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Oops, I misformed my post a bit, and possibly misread Robert’s post a bit. You’re correct that the part of Robert’s message I quoted isn’t contradicted by you, and we’re in agreement: (paraphrasing) no sign = no need for access=private tag.
I think I read a bit more into the “Residents of these roads may not be entirely averse to receiving deliveries, taxis and visitors” part, probably with the context of access=private tags, and my brain latched onto your interpretation that access=private does not prevent deliveries… but then I didn’t quote it and answered another part. Sorry!
So residents of roads with no access tag are likely not averse to receiving deliveries, and possibly residents of roads with access=private aren’t averse to receiving deliveries either.
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In the UK, it all comes down to whether the road is paid for out of the public purse. That is the exact legal definition.
This has no aspect on signage or gates.
I interpret it broadly depending on whether the driveway exists within within a privately owned land parcel or not.
There are other access=* values to chose from.
When mapping with JOSM, by creating a highway=service ; service = driveway, you will often flag up an error if it it is not terminated with noexit=yes.
I can’t profess to understand how route navigation works exactly, but to my way of thinking, it is expedient to describe a dead end road explicitly.
Thanks Jez, I admire your work too, along with Phillip Cullen for instance.
A cartographer’s work is never done. I tend to watch YT videos on one screen with JOSM on the other screen as I edit.
I really need to wrap my head around multipoligon relationships in order to aggregate these post code pockets into residential districts.
I think that would be informative.
Maybe it it rare to see this possibly because of the enhanced level of research required to carry this out.
I have found that this approach results in very good address search matches, even if house numbers are not provided.
I’m currently using boundary=postal code, postal_code = ** ** along with landuse= residential for now. Eventually, I hope to conglomerate these with postcode_layer and form relations.
I interpret CADAstral land ownership data in order to describe the extent of land ownership
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Some older ones still use name, which as mentioned above isn’t really right as that isn’t the name of those small areas of landuse. I guess you’re in the process of revisiting those? boundary=postal_code isn’t much used in the UK, perhaps because that’s not really how postcodes work here. Are you reading postcodes from road name signs? I know that they are shown on those in some areas.