amenity=bicycle_pump should be converted to amenity=compressed_air?

Hi,

I’m very new to OSM.

There are 7 amenity=bicycle_pump nodes that I can find in the world, most in Europe and a few in Australia. Would I be correct in saying these should be converted to amenity=compressed_air? Obviously I’m not near all of them, but I can fix the ones near me with the correct details.

https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:amenity%3Dcompressed_air

Thanks

For me, it’s always a bad idea to retag nodes to something else when you did not visit the place in person. It’s better to contact the previous mapper and tell them that there is a better schema to tag the object.

Yep, that makes sense. What I’d like more clarity on though (sorry I didn’t make this clearer) is: is this definitely considered a mistake?

I’m not too familiar with OSM procedures, but it’s my understanding that it’s more consensus than some central authority deciding on tags. I could see a logic to it either way (a bicycle_pump could be manual, where a compressed_air could be automatic), but it seems to me that if there’s only 7 of them, you can make a case that it should be eliminated, and maybe another property added to compressed_air saying whether it’s manual or automatic.

I guess I’ll just go ahead and change the few near me, see what happens.

Thanks.

Yes, that’s changing without knowledge. The tag may have been selected deliberately.

Someone changed a shop nearby to a healthfood shop but they specialise in supplements. I had deliberately set the previous tag and this gives me extra work. Luckily I noticed it.

Our special value for OSM is the knowledge of our local neighbourhood.

I meant is the tag considered a mistake :slight_smile:

If it’s more than just a pump, then something like https://taginfo.openstreetmap.org/tags/amenity=bicycle_repair_station might be a better tag. To find out you’d need to visit each of those 7 sites, or ask someone familiar with them (perhaps the last mapper?).

Generally speaking, almost no tag is a “mistake” just because it’s not used much - the exceptions are things like misspellings and the use of a tag to mean X when it normally means Y in OSM.

Near to where I live is a bicycle_pump and I have mapped it as amenity=bicycle_pump because it is the closest tagging for its purpose. A single pump, firmly attached to the ground and operated manually.
My question: how to tag the manual operation? Something like operation=manual? Don’t know if ‘operation’ is a valid tag?

Edit: I found a tag: “pump=manual” - is this allright?

It seems to me that they’re being treated as duplicates. At the minute there’s no wiki page for bicycle_pump and renderers like cyclosm.org ignore it, and the description on the wiki page for compressed_air seems to include manual pumps. Unfortunately I don’t have any compressed_airs near me to check if any of them are manual (maybe someone reading this does?)

I’m waiting for a response from the mapper who marked the closest one to me (there’s another one near me marked as a repair_station, but I’m pretty sure that’s in error and it’s just a pump - I’ll check next time I’m near).

I’ll post back if we come to any conclusions. Thanks all.

The talk page here suggests that’s taken by water pumps.

https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Talk:Tag:amenity%3Dcompressed_air

Why should’nt it be valid for other types of pumps like a bicycle_pump? If ‘pump=manual’ is reserved for water pumps only , then every type of pump must have its own specific operation tag(s). Sounds unlogical for me.